traditional thought with a contemporary twist
What is the bedrock of marriage?
Published on April 24, 2004 By Joan of Arc In Personal Relationships
I have been distressed during some blog comment interchanges the last couple of weeks. I finally decided to let it go, as people are entitled to their own view of things, but today the truth of my view hit me smack in the face again, and I feel I need to take one last stab at making my case.

Nineteen years ago I married a beautiful girl with a year and a half old child. We were very different, and she had never had a relationship with a guy she could trust, including her dad. That was transferred to me when we got married. The “year of hell” that you have heard Dan talk about was in MY life–I never intended for that to be generalized to other relationships. Our first year was not ALL hell, but if I had not committed beforehand to stick with it no matter what, I would have been out of there a hundred times, my wife perhaps a thousand. One of the complications beyond our own baggage that we brought into the relationship, was that she was pregnant most of the first year and had miscarriages and then was pregnant with Dan. I could continue to give you reasons why the first year was so difficult and painful, but what I want to make clear is that our difficulties did not mean we were not able to have a good marriage.

If Jackie and I had bailed out in our second year because we “weren’t compatible”, can you imagine how it would have effected Dan? We have an incredible marriage now, but we have been through things that may have driven most to divorce. We have GREAT affection for one another. We are best friends. We have a depth of relationship out of honesty that I have seen in few others. I don’t agree that we should have gotten divorced because we didn’t always feel loving towards each other.

If your love is based on feelings and you wake up after 37 years and have no feelings for a few weeks, do you get divorced? If you’re “not in love” anymore, you might as well People say “We’re just not in love anymore”, as if it’s something they have no control over. It flew into their life, now many years later it flew out and is gone. In personal growth issues we say, “change your behavior and in time, your feelings will catch up”.

Love is a decision, commitment is a choice; this is the bedrock of marriage. Of course it’s more than that, but for a marriage to last, it can be no less.


Tractorman

Comments
on Apr 24, 2004
I agree that the basis for a good and lasting marriage are commitment and love. I also agree that commitment is a choice. I'd contend with you that love is a decision. The course of my marriage has not always run smooth, and there have been times when it would have been easier for us both to have thrown up our hands and walked away..it would have been easy to do this had we not loved each other. I can't NOT love him. I've never been able to NOT love him. It is now, and always has been out of my control. There was no decision to love or to not love, love just WAS.

This was a wonderful article. It made me think...and for that, I think you.
on Apr 24, 2004
What a fabulous article:) For those of you who read the Sex before Marriage blog of mine... this is my Dad. I guess the year of Hell bit was a misunderstanding, although I've talked to others who have professed the same experience. Apparently it was just coincidence.

Great blog.

~Buddha
on Apr 24, 2004
I can't NOT love him. I've never been able to NOT love him. It is now, and always has been out of my control. There was no decision to love or to not love, love just WAS.

It is wonderful that you have always felt love for your hubby. There will be a time when you do not, I believe--whether for a day or a month. At that point, what will hold you together, or is your love dependent on that uncontrolable feeling? Or are you asserting that you will be different than all others who have come before you? (find an old couple, even your GPs and ask them--they have not always felt love)

Thanks for the compliment at the end, your typo ( I think, i.e., I think it was a typo) made me laugh.

Tractorman
on Apr 24, 2004
Thanks Dan.
on Apr 24, 2004
Yes, it was....Freudian slip, perhaps?
on Apr 24, 2004
There will be a time when you do not, I believe--whether for a day or a month. At that point, what will hold you together, or is your love dependent on that uncontrolable feeling?


I see your point....and if and when that times comes, it will be our comittment that will hold us together.

As I said before, excellent article.
on Apr 24, 2004
infidelity, beating, emotional abuse, blatant dishonesty, bigamy, lack of commitment on the part of one, a sustained lack of passion, sustained lack of intimacy, ooh... and refusing to put the toilet paper on the roller correctly!

There are some valid reasons to split up... while some of the above things can be worked through, sometimes it would require more effort than one or the other is willing to put forth.

I'm not trying to undermine your message, I think I'm more or less playing the 'devil's advocate'... a position that I take too often and too well... i think it's important that someone in the group does take this role.

having said all that, let me close by saying that i wholeheartedly agree with your message. My marriage lasted all of 16 months, and at least one of the reasons I listed at the beginning was a factor in us getting divorced.

believe it or not, I actually want to be a marriage and family therapist when i grow up!

*walks away wondering what people will think of that*
on Apr 24, 2004
"I agree that the basis for a good and lasting marriage are commitment and love. I also agree that commitment is a choice. I'd contend with you that love is a decision. The course of my marriage has not always run smooth, and there have been times when it would have been easier for us both to have thrown up our hands and walked away..it would have been easy to do this had we not loved each other. I can't NOT love him. I've never been able to NOT love him. It is now, and always has been out of my control. There was no decision to love or to not love, love just WAS."

And I agree with everything Dharma says here.

"It is wonderful that you have always felt love for your hubby. There will be a time when you do not, I believe--whether for a day or a month. At that point, what will hold you together, or is your love dependent on that uncontrolable feeling?"

I would disagree that the time has to come when the love isn't there, even for a moment....we may not always LIKE each other's actions or words, but the foundation of our marriage, which is our LOVE for one another, remains strong and constant, through everything: richer, poorer, sickness, health, better, worse, etc.
on Apr 24, 2004
"believe it or not, I actually want to be a marriage and family therapist when i grow up! *walks away wondering what people will think of that*"

It's a worthy goal--go for it, that's what I think.

Tractorman

on Apr 25, 2004
Imajinit, you'll be incredible. btw, wanted to note that there's a seach bar at the bottom of the JU page... I'm just curious, how long has it been there? Because I've never noticed it.

~Buddha
on Apr 27, 2004
Paul,

I hope I learn the lessons that you and everyone else in your family seem to have caught on to a little too quickly. I mean, seriously, who has a family as wonderful as yours?

It amazes me, I'm serious. I've met many families, many happy families, but never once have I encountered a family like this. You guys give me hope that me future relationships won't be something to dread, but to look forward to.

Thank you for that. Oh, btw, tell your wife I miss her articles. GET WITH IT JOA!

Trinitie

on Apr 27, 2004
Did you hear that Dad? We're wonderful:) lol can't see the forest through the trees, eh?

~Buddha
on Apr 27, 2004
It amazes me, I'm serious. I've met many families, many happy families, but never once have I encountered a family like this. You guys give me hope that me future relationships won't be something to dread, but to look forward to.

Thank you for that.


Nice to see you Trin:) Thanks, I'm glad you have more hope. It makes me a little nervous that you might think we are more wonderful than we really are. We struggle and fight and and have miserable faults--every one of us. But it's true, there is always hope in spite of our humanity to have long lasting and fulfilling relationships.

btw, tell your wife I miss her articles. GET WITH IT JOA!


I will tell her. She promised one called "When dreams come true" or "when dreams are dashed", but she is too busy living them to write about them.

Did you hear that Dad? We're wonderful:) lol can't see the forest through the trees, eh?


I'm not sure what you've been telling her, son.

Tractorman
on May 28, 2004
I have been married for 30 years and agree wholeheartedly with your comments, especially about being each other's best friends. Best wishes to you both.
on Dec 12, 2007
You are still the one for me T-man. You are a man of great integrity and for that I am truly thankful.

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