traditional thought with a contemporary twist
Tractorman
Published on March 26, 2004 By Joan of Arc In Blogging

I’m not psychotic, at least I don’t think so and no one has suggested such recently.

The responses from my last blog, “why do people blog”, has started my wheels turning regarding the nature of the relationships that develop on line (and quite frankly, I didn’t want to title my article something about internet relationships because I could feel everyone yawning).

Ever since I first felt the “internet pull”, the emotional attraction, towards someone I didn’t know-------- (another short digression–this was probably 10 years ago during a visit to a chat room–it was the first time I had ever wandered, or crawled at that time, around the internet. I happened into a short conversation that included someone saying something complimentary to me. Now I wouldn’t consider myself a particularly needy person, so I was shocked at the amount of reciprocal emotion that welled up within me. As I tend to do with most threats to my person and family, I separated myself from the source of this seemingly rogue emotion and stopped doing chat rooms)-------- I have had a negative view toward internet relationships.

As I read through the blogs and replies, I occasionally hear people say that these are not real relationships, or that they are 2 dimensional, or some other reference to the incompleteness of the relationship. It is certainly true that elements of a face to face relationship are missing, however, could it be the case that people are sharing more honestly and openly about their inner thoughts and lives than they would even share with those they are next to? If that’s the case, are the relationships more real, or less real?

You can tell a lot about people by how they look and how they behave----or can you? How many times have you had the experience while you’re talking to a person for the first time in depth, that you have known by name for awhile, “this person is totally different than I thought”. Actually, this works in reverse, too. You begin to form a picture in your mind about what people look like and act like just by hearing their thoughts that they write online. A case in point, what do you think of when you think of Sir Peter Maxwell? Now I understand that there was a point that you all posted pictures of yourselves, which is a cool idea, but short of that, do you see what I mean?

I suppose what I’m really saying is that there are some “unreal” aspects to communicating online, but there are also “unreal” aspects to communicating in person. I’m starting to value seeing the real part online unhindered by my judgmental preconceptions and stereotypes that would be rushing in if I were seeing you all in person.

No offense intended Sir Peter.

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on Mar 29, 2004

Tractorman....consider this too.....


I've made up strengths, weaknesses, and entire personalities before online.  A couple of times just out of "fun" as a teenager, but also experimentally as an adult.   Sure, you can do that in real life too, but it's alot more difficult.

on Mar 29, 2004
SPM is the most open person I know.

Is this bait, or should I know who SPM is?

T
on Mar 29, 2004
SPM means me old chap
on Mar 30, 2004
"Is this bait, or should I know who SPM is?"

lol not bait.

~Dan
on Mar 30, 2004
Of course he knows who I am, His original article mentions my name - he just didn't understand your use of abbreviations. Personally I find the abbreviation SPM belittles my almost Jesus like influence on British society, below are acceptable ways in which I may be addressed.

1) Sir Peter James Henry Maxwell IV
2) General Sir Peter James Henry Maxwell IV
2) Sir Peter Maxwell
3) Sir Peter
4) My Lord
5) My Liege
6) General Maxwell
7) Peter (friends only)
8) Pete (friends only)

Anything else is an insult to the Maxwell dynasty and the British Empire.

Tally Ho ™

General Sir Peter James Henry Maxwell IV
on Mar 30, 2004
SPM is the most open person I know.

I suppose you'd have to explain to me what you mean by "open", but first you could explain to me why you were making the comment in the first place. Did you feel I was saying he wasn't open? Do you feel like we're going in circles?

T-man
on Mar 31, 2004
"first you could explain to me why you were making the comment in the first place."

I was being ironic. Wasn't I, SPM

~Dan
on Apr 01, 2004
No dear boy you were stating your belief that I am the most open person you have seen on the internet, don't change your opinion because he challenged you on it - stick to your guns old chap.
on Apr 01, 2004
But the truth is that people, for the most part, do NOT communicate that openly and honestly in person. This means the personality you come to know online is not the one that their friends and family know.


My husband and I met online, and our relationship was STRICTLY an online one for a year before we met face to face. In that year, we got to know each other incredibly well.....we talked about absolutely everything--from our childhoods and our relationships with our parents, to our failed marriages and our relationships with our children....from religion and politics to favorite books and movies....and everything conceivable in between. And while the people we got to know online were not the people that our IRL family and friends knew, those people were the REAL us....the people we had never felt the freedom to be with anyone else. So, I guess it just depends on the person/people involved in the friendship/relationship/conversation online.
on Apr 01, 2004
Online relationships are equal to real relationships if it were not for one thing. Your concious. YOU KNOW it isn't real.


I disagree to an extent. Online relationships, just like IRL relationships, can be just as real as you ALLOW them to be. In either one, you can hide yourself and be someone else, or you can be open and honest and truly who you are. It may take a little more effort IRL to be false, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
on Apr 01, 2004
And while the people we got to know online were not the people that our IRL family and friends knew, those people were the REAL us....the people we had never felt the freedom to be with anyone else.


This is the crux of one of my points, poetmom, who is to say what is "real". I have seen a deeper part of many of the people on joeuser than I'm sure thier friends and family see. It is an honest and hidden part of themselves. It is not less real just because they are not willing to expose it to those IRL as you put it.

I think that although it is a different person, it is no less "real" than the one IRL.

It may take a little more effort IRL to be false, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Hmmmm......

I'm not sure. I think I have seen a great depth of falsehood IRL. Most everyone I know has a facade. It is truely rare that someone would not, and if they do not IRL, they would not have one online.

I think much of what we're talking about has to do with the sites we're on and the people we meet, both online and IRL. I think there is a great deal of "pretend" everywhere you go.

T-man

on Apr 02, 2004
I think much of what we're talking about has to do with the sites we're on and the people we meet, both online and IRL. I think there is a great deal of "pretend" everywhere you go.

That's a good point....I guess I just overlooked that part of it.
on Apr 02, 2004
Inflammatory statement of the evening:

I think everybody lies about everything because nobody knows who they are anyway.

~Dan
on Apr 02, 2004
Inflammatory statement of the evening:


My my, are you feeling a littleangry this evening and trying to stir up trouble?

I think everybody lies about everything because nobody knows who they are anyway.


We may not know who we are, but if we don't know, how do we know we are not telling the truth? I think in order to lie there has to be some intentionality.

Now you may be saying that we lie just because we're ticked that we don't know who we are--or something like that. What I really suspect is that you wanted to release a little covert aggression.

T-man
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