traditional thought with a contemporary twist
Tractorman
Published on March 26, 2004 By Joan of Arc In Blogging

I’m not psychotic, at least I don’t think so and no one has suggested such recently.

The responses from my last blog, “why do people blog”, has started my wheels turning regarding the nature of the relationships that develop on line (and quite frankly, I didn’t want to title my article something about internet relationships because I could feel everyone yawning).

Ever since I first felt the “internet pull”, the emotional attraction, towards someone I didn’t know-------- (another short digression–this was probably 10 years ago during a visit to a chat room–it was the first time I had ever wandered, or crawled at that time, around the internet. I happened into a short conversation that included someone saying something complimentary to me. Now I wouldn’t consider myself a particularly needy person, so I was shocked at the amount of reciprocal emotion that welled up within me. As I tend to do with most threats to my person and family, I separated myself from the source of this seemingly rogue emotion and stopped doing chat rooms)-------- I have had a negative view toward internet relationships.

As I read through the blogs and replies, I occasionally hear people say that these are not real relationships, or that they are 2 dimensional, or some other reference to the incompleteness of the relationship. It is certainly true that elements of a face to face relationship are missing, however, could it be the case that people are sharing more honestly and openly about their inner thoughts and lives than they would even share with those they are next to? If that’s the case, are the relationships more real, or less real?

You can tell a lot about people by how they look and how they behave----or can you? How many times have you had the experience while you’re talking to a person for the first time in depth, that you have known by name for awhile, “this person is totally different than I thought”. Actually, this works in reverse, too. You begin to form a picture in your mind about what people look like and act like just by hearing their thoughts that they write online. A case in point, what do you think of when you think of Sir Peter Maxwell? Now I understand that there was a point that you all posted pictures of yourselves, which is a cool idea, but short of that, do you see what I mean?

I suppose what I’m really saying is that there are some “unreal” aspects to communicating online, but there are also “unreal” aspects to communicating in person. I’m starting to value seeing the real part online unhindered by my judgmental preconceptions and stereotypes that would be rushing in if I were seeing you all in person.

No offense intended Sir Peter.

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on Mar 28, 2004


Oh my gosh, you make me laugh.

Trinitie
on Mar 28, 2004
Dan - that's funny 'n all, but i'm gonna have to ask you to retract that statement... i really don't need my nickname and pedophile showing up in the same sentence on the internet...

thanks dude
on Mar 28, 2004
Imajinit is not your name.

Trinitie
on Mar 28, 2004
my nickname


on Mar 28, 2004
you must have changed it Michael!

Trinitie
on Mar 28, 2004
"i'm gonna have to ask you to retract that statement"

Consider it retracted, but it's not in my power to remove it.

~Dan

on Mar 28, 2004
Dan - that's funny 'n all, but i'm gonna have to ask you to retract that statement... i really don't need my nickname and pedophile showing up in the same sentence on the internet...

Glad to remove it.

T-man
on Mar 28, 2004
my online self is also a lot more respected than the real one... i'm not really sure what to make of that

I would say that what people see in real life hinders them from getting to know the person those of us online see. This gets back to one of my points in the blog, that there are things in our real relationships that keep people from getting to know what we're like on the inside. Now that you've raised the question, if you are shy in person, but not online, are you a shy person?

T-man
on Mar 28, 2004
Wow do I feel old! When I was a freshmen in high school -- before I knew of the internet really -- I wrote letters to a boy going to a different school. We wrote for a year before we'd ever met. We ended up going to the same church and developed a very warm friendship lasting throughout high school and we're still friends. We could even then share more in writing than in person. He told me things his best friends didn't know when we were younger. Likewise here. I don't think the internet changes that. I think I'm as effective as an oral communicator though. (I was a speech comm. minor.) I think that sometimes, online daters are good at keeping it online because their poor oral communicators. That's a bad deal to get mixed with permanently, ya know? At least for me. I love writing letters and emails and do both. I think Dan hit it though, with a good mix of written and personal correspondence being most reliable. I recommend checking out Ronald Reagan's love letter's to Nancy. It's a book called "I love you, Ronnie." Girls, you'll swoon; guys, you'll learn something!

Trin, I'm with you. I really like you online here. I think I'd like you in person too. But I think if we met first, you might see me as "ditzy." The most frequent surface description of me (from people who dont' know me well or long) is "bubbly." I hate that. I translate that to "bubble headed." Those who know me know that its just an energy level I maintain. But it is certainly a bar to a lot of people getting to know me at times. The don't see me as a philisophical, deep thinking, ultra creative person. I dunno. Maybe I come accross as ditzy here too...
on Mar 29, 2004
I am a pretty outgoing person in real life, and get along well with people that I meet. I'm not shy at all (except around crushes, but I get past that pretty easily, too, given time.) I feel as comfortable writing as I do talking, but I am better able to articulate myself online. For me it's far easier to plan an article than it is to hold up in a real-life debate. Having that editorial option is more to my advantage as well.
on Mar 29, 2004
Online relationships are equal to real relationships if it were not for one thing. Your concious. YOU KNOW it isn't real.

Each have their pros and cons. Online allows people to open up more, but it also makes it easier to lie. Some people do write better, but some of the time, their words are lost without human emotion. "My god." That could be said in despair, during laughter, in sarcarsm...... The reader would never know. Online and real relationships are identical in value, but Online enforces the subtle paranoia of "Who REALLY is out there?
on Mar 29, 2004
I agree with Phantom pretty much. I was always well aware that there are many people who are 5'2" with glasses and a paunch in life and 6'2" with eyes of blue on-line. I entered the net with the understanding everything is pseudo-real as a face-to-face makes people get real in a hurry.

In life I am a font of information, reading five books at any one time and scouring the web for more information when not with a book. Consequently when asked a question I can go on for quite a while on many topics. The keyboard limits me to so many WPM and thus I edit my thoughts. Hard to believe I know, but true and you'd say so if we talked. I once had a 42 hour conversation with a guy who graduated GIGANTIC from Notre Dame Business. Here we'd go a few pages.

Still, I never assume anyones appearance when blogging and have never wanted to. I really never think of it and would not believe much description one gave me anyway, as I dis-trust the trust found on the web. It does not affect my views of them or myself for exactly this reason though. As one person above indicated, I really would probably not give the time of day to most people here if I met them on the street (and almost certainly they'd never think to ask me)- unless they asked me an opinion, but that's another blog. Blog ON.
on Mar 29, 2004
Perhaps the openess online is real. Here's what I mean. When I think of someone being open, I don't think of them telling me about their strengths, "I'm an executive who get's along with everybody and all who meet me find me charming" I take someones self-report in that area very loosely. But if they start telling me about weaknesses, or opinions, that has nothing to do with thier potential "online mask". I know there would be exceptions to this also, but in general, I think the things that draw me to like people online are things of depth, not the superficial stuff or the stuff someone might brag about, or cover up with. I like having discussions with people who I might not normally have contact with because of my station in life (whatever that is). I don't like the barriers that come about because of social circles, perceptions of people in roles, etc. I may be getting too vague now, but I need to go eat breakfast with the kids.

T
on Mar 29, 2004
Here's another thought. I ate breakfast etc. with the kids and was fine--but pretty much I've been irritable since I woke up. I've snapped at one or more of the kids, and just feel generally grumpy. However, I don't feel grumpy online. It's a kind of dissociation that happens. You're not talking loudly in my ear, and if you do I can turn you off. Hmmmm......

T
on Mar 29, 2004
SPM is the most open person I know.

~Dan
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